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how's it going everybody thank you so

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much for joining me tonight i say

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tonight it's eight o'clock here in the

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uk

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so yeah thank you so much this was

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something that i really wanted to put

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together a conversation about what

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happened last weekend in san marino with

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the international ufo symposium

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so let's start bringing in some guests

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we've got a couple of guests coming in a

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little bit later on

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so first of all i'd like to introduce uh

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my very good friend and colleague mr

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sean rash

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sean how are you doing pretty good

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thanks finney for having me hey pleasure

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man it's i'm it's good to see you man

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you've been away and we might touch upon

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that as well yeah not saying mourinho

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saying clemente but there we go man and

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and then we're gonna start off um with

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mr gary hasselton gary how are you doing

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i'm fine thank you thank you for

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inviting me back hey no thank you so

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much for joining me like i was just

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saying i really wanted to touch upon

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this san marino conference because

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i think um initially a lot of people

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thought it was just another ufo

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conference

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but i think what we've garnered

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over the past week or so is that there's

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something maybe going on behind the

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scenes

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you know with isa being involved roberto

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putting this on um even with the

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republic of san marino sorry i'm reading

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that this this was going to be something

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can you elude on

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on on that sort of background and and

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uh yes and no what you've got to

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appreciate is that

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my loyalty is towards isa and obviously

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its members and representatives

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so we are going to be having a an

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executive council meeting on sunday to

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discuss everything that was involved in

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the san marino conference and there were

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in your right there were things going on

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in the background

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um but we need to report it through the

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executive council first then to the

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members and deputies and then we'll put

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media press releases out to that effect

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so i'm a bit limited in what i can say

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but suffice to say yes you're right and

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there has been the italian

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organization that was associated with

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isa for the conference they've put out a

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um so that's out there so that's a

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matter of public domain so if you caught

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from that then then you've got it from

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the horse's mouth as to what we're doing

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but from a nicer point of view i think i

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should go through the protocols

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before i can speak further

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i understand yeah i think what i

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gathered i had a couple of people um who

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i'm friends with in italy who pretty

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much straight away said that you're

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trying to bring the symposium itself

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under the aegis of the united nations

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umbrella going forward into next year

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the 31st year of the symposium which

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let's speculate that if you can't talk

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on it let's speculate about it

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if that was to happen going forward what

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does that mean for different countries

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i guess endorse the idea that it's a un

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symposium from 2022 onwards now that

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would be a pretty amazing thing if that

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we we have said that when we launched

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hopefully over time seek to get worse to

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the highest levels of governance

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including the united nations so if this

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is one possible approach then it's one

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that we should take naturally

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towards them and they would then submit

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it uh to the united nations saying we

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want to do this that's the big thing

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it's getting a country and the reason

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roberto's panotti's had 30 years of

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conferences there and i believe that

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association there with the the

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organization that roberto organized uh

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put together many many decades ago so

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there's a long association there small

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take it forward but we in a sense the

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proposal has been uh submitted it's now

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study that and give us a decision but

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i mean surely again speculation but

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wouldn't it benefit the san marino

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government to bring a proposal like this

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country as it were i mean it all makes

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well you raise a very good point and

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that that has been uh included in the

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proposal right for obvious reasons

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association of conferences uh in san

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marino which is an absolutely beautiful

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spectacular castle you know where the

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way the conference takes place is in a

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spectacular location in big fortress

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high above the rest of summer you know

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mountain top scenario

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a small country to realize that the

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world has changed certainly in the last

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three and a half years since december

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the stigma that's been attached to the

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subject for 70 years if this continues

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uh reliant or influenced they are by

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no there's no influence there there's a

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totally separate republic

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years and uh no i think they're very

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separate i don't think it's an issue

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uh why this is in san marino because you

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so uh that makes it easy to set up a um

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an organization or a let's say a uh a

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for a potential uap disclosure coalition

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it were indeed to take place but let's

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not i've i've learned over the years to

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be a pragmatist and i always take the

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attitude i'll believe it when i see it

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um because i think that's the way you've

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this is a huge thing for any government

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uh to to contemplate but at some point

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somebody is going to do it and it may

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we say a more satellite country that

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does it but but who knows who knows of

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because i put a lot of work into

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studying this was the last time it was

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put before the u.n uh through granada

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sorry one second i've yeah got to cut

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to welcome that's rude i'd like to

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welcome you gentlemen i think you might

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mr elizabeth oh my goodness

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how are you doing today good good thank

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you luke great great friend

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i'll just be a second but

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uh gary listen it was a honor and

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pleasure to see what you guys put

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together there uh in uh in san marino

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uh with icer and to see you when um

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absolutely blew me away uh i cannot

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believe i'm still kind of giddy to be

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honest with you what you guys managed to

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pull off um it is it is nothing i mean

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truly nothing less than historic and um

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people are going to look back

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and i think you know there's a couple

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paradigm moments where people say you

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know the conversation really changed

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there um i i think that occurred um this

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last week there in san marino with what

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you guys were able to achieve

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with uh with the italian and the uh the

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the government of san marino and and

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possibly the um

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you know i don't want to cut out of the

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bag but but possibly a much bigger scale

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with the united nations that was

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that was truly impressive and uh and you

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max um

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you know what can i say man you had a

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you had a front row seat uh to all of it

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you know right as you were leaving you

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and your lovely lady

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uh we didn't get a chance to catch up

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but that was just something incredible

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gary and and the folks

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had met with some people and uh

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it looks like there's a a significant

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willingness if you remember that evening

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when we were there um we were supposed

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to meet with some officials and and it

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fell through and i know some people were

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a little bit disappointed

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uh but you know the very next day um it

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july um it went very very well and uh

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i know that our colleagues were very

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happy uh to to have a chance to talk to

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those folks in san marino and things are

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looking really really good

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like really really good

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wow

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yeah well i've seen a long drive back

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i'm glad you guys made it back safely uh

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gary i'll tell you that i've already

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started um prepping the battle space

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over here i mean that figuratively so i

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know but it's just government speak and

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army talk so don't i'm not experiencing

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battlefield

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yeah right conspiracy theories right i

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don't feel uh

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basically i've already started the the

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coordination internally here with some

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people

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um there seems to be a receptiveness to

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uh

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to um

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to engage

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uh did you read the email i sent you

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do you know gary you keep telling me you

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sent me these emails

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but i don't get anything from you are

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you sure

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i sent it aol doesn't it

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[Laughter]

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from paulo and i sent it to you

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uh either on it'll be on tuesday i sent

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it to you well it busted

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what i was it will be my private email i

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all right so there's an admission there

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you do have it you don't need to replace

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it i have it i have it yes well read it

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read it

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no it's spam you can't

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yeah read it privately because it is

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private between me and you whoa guys

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yes i have it my my my humble apologies

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uh it's accepted it's all right don't

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worry

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guys i i didn't even think about this

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i'm sorry carl thank you so much for the

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49.99 number one lou come on my show two

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please explain the heavy references to

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greek mythology and tdsa books and

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masonic symbols in the cartoons three

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has lou been trained in remote viewing

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now what i will just say before you

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answer that lou is that

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this conversation tonight is primarily

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about san marino and the united nations

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carl vibe great he's my friend lou is

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coming on my channel on sunday we have

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an hour where we can answer these kind

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of questions so carl if you don't mind i

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would like to put that to lou on sunday

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so that we can focus on this right now

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if that's okay

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yeah i

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i spoke to carl about half an hour ago

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so carl

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i'm sorry brother can we please answer

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that on something lulu's gonna spill the

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beans he may not be in the mood on

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sunday you're really scared of something

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i didn't think about it i didn't think

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about it

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i'm gonna i'm gonna say this one last

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thing now when i speak to you on sunday

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i am gonna disable super chat so that we

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can just talk

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so there's no interruption i know people

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want to ask questions it's gonna happen

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because i've put out people have been

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emailing me for the last month since it

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happened oh we've got another one oh i

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didn't understand that you better donate

364
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those real quick look what max has

365
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pulled off what gary's pulled off has

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been

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something that is a and a meanest i'm

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not over exaggerating

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is is i think historic to the cause i

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think we're going to look back one day

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and say wow that that that part of that

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part of the equation happened

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in san marino because of ice or in the

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cun and max i want to say you know as a

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member of of the media and a journalist

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um you know

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i'm getting calls every day bombarded by

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by news journalists and they're just now

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trying to catch up to to to you so um

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congratulations for being here now

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listen matt let's i'll tell you max and

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i were part of some incredible

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interviews with some senior military

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officials eyewitnesses i'm not going to

385
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go into a lot of detail here uh

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extremely compelling and you know what

387
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we're looking at doing in the future uh

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very near future i think is going to be

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again helping change the conversation

390
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indefinitely we've got so a few tricks

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up our sleeves uh between the folks with

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gary and and maybe have max there

393
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covering it um you know this is just the

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beginning

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don't tell him that he's going to get

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something

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well i mean i mean he was there for the

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for for one of the interviews that kind

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of it was a kind of an ambush frankly we

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didn't neither one of expected it it was

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a drive-by and uh

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the next thing you know

403
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this you know

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big big huge great thing so um

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really really appreciate both of you

406
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guys very much thanks lou let me just

407
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wait

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sorry sorry max to jump in lou i know

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you might be pushed for time i don't

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know

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yeah i gotta hop off i just wanted to

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jump in and say hi and i really wanted

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to thank gary and and max personally and

414
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thank you guys yeah for having this uh

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but go ahead i got a minute or two

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please i just wanted to say like and for

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everyone that's watching this was not

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meant to be a suddenly ama askaloo

419
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anything kind of conversation lou was

420
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going to jump in and just have a small

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conversation about what happened at the

422
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weekend so guys any questions that have

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been answered so far are we gonna say

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honestly gary and max can tell you i

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mean i'm just coming in as kind of like

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the cheerleader here because you know uh

427
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my intent is not to take any attention

428
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all right so lou um tonight uh at um

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uh 10 30 dutch time i'm not sure what

430
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what time that is uh central an hour um

431
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our our interview our interview uh

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on the streets of san marino uh um will

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be uh online on on the youtube channel

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it's an incredibly beautiful and

435
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personal

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interview and i really recommend

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everyone

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after of course vinnie's show to to

439
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check it out and but i especially want

440
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to thank lou for that because he said

441
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some really personal things and my hats

442
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off to you sir you're my personal hero

443
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from that moment on

444
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well for those who don't know max is my

445
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personal bodyguard

446
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his background in in in kickboxing you

447
00:17:49,510 --> 00:17:47,360
know i thought i was pretty decent at at

448
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kickboxing until i saw

449
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who who max hangs out with and uh i

450
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realized no i i'm not

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at all

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so gary uh max and and sean and vinnie

453
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and of course everybody else out there

454
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thank you so much uh really i hate to

455
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barge in like this i'm gonna i'm gonna

456
00:18:08,710 --> 00:18:07,280
excuse myself now but again really

457
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appreciate what everybody's doing and

458
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gary just a phenomenal job what you and

459
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i were able to achieve i you know in

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some ways i'm

461
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probably a little jealous i wish some

462
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folks here uh in my country would would

463
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be able to um

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kind of kind of

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do what you guys are doing um they will

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eventually um there's they're we're

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getting a critical mass here they're a

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little bit slower so my apologies uh

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but um really just i hope gary this

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continues

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um every year

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like like i said to you uh at the

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weekend you're a key player not i sir

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are just

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maybe the conduit for making things

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bigger happen on a global scale which is

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what we kind of all want right

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but

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i said to in all sincerity

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the emphasis is with you to raise the

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element of isa to to give the in a sense

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give the endorsement that really with

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the only organization looking on the

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global scale that you appreciate

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yeah it has to be global i mean look we

486
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can't we see what happens this is a

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world phenomenon yeah when one country

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controls the narrative we've seen what

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happens right seven years of silence and

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that's not correct that's that's not

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helpful right you know so we need to we

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need to broaden the aperture on this and

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i think exactly what icer is doing is

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exactly the way we need to go uh and i

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love the idea with the proposal with san

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marino i'm so happy that they're that

497
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they are uh willing to to entertain this

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idea um you know the other folks like

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roberto pinotti and and paolo and the

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rest of the folks daniele

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just

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unbelievable i cannot believe what these

503
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guys have been able to achieve in such a

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short period of time so my hat's off to

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you guys and whenever you guys are doing

506
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this

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count me in i'm in every time

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well that's appreciated lou yeah thank

509
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you so much for your time read and read

510
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and lou i will promise you i did not

511
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send it to spam it went by itself lou

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i'll see you on sunday my friend

513
00:20:10,870 --> 00:20:08,799
ten four you got it guys thank you

514
00:20:15,350 --> 00:20:10,880
jennifer all right we'll do stay safe

515
00:20:18,870 --> 00:20:17,510
guys wow thank you i just want to give a

516
00:20:20,950 --> 00:20:18,880
quick message to the people that have

517
00:20:22,630 --> 00:20:20,960
donated asking questions for lou my

518
00:20:24,070 --> 00:20:22,640
brother is the moderator in the chat

519
00:20:26,310 --> 00:20:24,080
right now my brother is going to take

520
00:20:28,390 --> 00:20:26,320
photographs of these questions and i

521
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will be asking them as a priority on

522
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sunday so guys don't worry your

523
00:20:34,230 --> 00:20:32,960
donations will not just go missed or

524
00:20:36,310 --> 00:20:34,240
anything i didn't even think that that

525
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was going to happen so my apologies all

526
00:20:41,990 --> 00:20:38,240
of the super chats will be disabled this

527
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sunday so your guys 50 bucks god damn it

528
00:20:46,470 --> 00:20:44,159
yeah yeah mr carver thank you you know

529
00:20:49,110 --> 00:20:46,480
we have an account right

530
00:20:52,149 --> 00:20:49,120
sean you were before lou

531
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rudely interrupted by many jokes

532
00:20:55,270 --> 00:20:53,200
yeah

533
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jeez you were going to ask a question um

534
00:20:58,070 --> 00:20:56,480
listen i'm just going to check on my

535
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door because she's been a bit sick today

536
00:21:03,029 --> 00:21:00,000
you asked a question i'll be right back

537
00:21:04,950 --> 00:21:03,039
i'm sorry to hear um yeah well really i

538
00:21:07,430 --> 00:21:04,960
just think of granada and i think how

539
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close that was there was you know on

540
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year three of them pushing it basically

541
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in the u.n

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um they had

543
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it was really close to yeah i just

544
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with you sean not in the center yeah in

545
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the sense of uh in 1977 the granada

546
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initiative under eric gary he was

547
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pushing it but literally nobody else was

548
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and that's the difference the world is

549
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now in a different place where there are

550
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because of everything that's happened

551
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since 2017

552
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and there's now so much more openness

553
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it didn't exist in 77 so what eric gary

554
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was given by the u.n was basically lip

555
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service

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they just

557
00:21:56,230 --> 00:21:53,830
or the documents they were about to pass

558
00:21:59,029 --> 00:21:56,240
that they were about to pass the uh the

559
00:22:01,110 --> 00:21:59,039
uk and the u.s were biting their lip

560
00:22:01,990 --> 00:22:01,120
going along with it

561
00:22:03,990 --> 00:22:02,000
well

562
00:22:04,789 --> 00:22:04,000
maurice bishop came along it was all

563
00:22:06,870 --> 00:22:04,799
over

564
00:22:09,190 --> 00:22:06,880
i could show you all the

565
00:22:11,110 --> 00:22:09,200
uh conversations that basically say that

566
00:22:13,190 --> 00:22:11,120
the americans and the british made sure

567
00:22:15,590 --> 00:22:13,200
it didn't happen

568
00:22:18,390 --> 00:22:15,600
yeah because it wasn't right it wasn't

569
00:22:21,430 --> 00:22:18,400
the right time but the world is so much

570
00:22:22,789 --> 00:22:21,440
different now and once and as i said to

571
00:22:24,710 --> 00:22:22,799
louis

572
00:22:25,750 --> 00:22:24,720
i had some private time with him and i

573
00:22:28,230 --> 00:22:25,760
said

574
00:22:29,750 --> 00:22:28,240
you know as good as the new york times

575
00:22:31,270 --> 00:22:29,760
article was with leslie kane ralph

576
00:22:32,630 --> 00:22:31,280
blumenthal

577
00:22:34,470 --> 00:22:32,640
etc

578
00:22:36,710 --> 00:22:34,480
it was actually the three videos they're

579
00:22:38,710 --> 00:22:36,720
the cat that got out the bag because for

580
00:22:41,190 --> 00:22:38,720
the first time the media could say what

581
00:22:43,029 --> 00:22:41,200
is that and that's the game changer and

582
00:22:46,230 --> 00:22:43,039
you cannot put that genie back in the

583
00:22:48,549 --> 00:22:46,240
bottle yeah by the way uh mr hesseltine

584
00:22:50,630 --> 00:22:48,559
uh i recorded that uh talk

585
00:22:52,470 --> 00:22:50,640
and i'm gonna put it online no no i had

586
00:22:53,350 --> 00:22:52,480
private discussions totally private with

587
00:22:55,190 --> 00:22:53,360
it

588
00:22:57,750 --> 00:22:55,200
okay sorry all right

589
00:22:59,110 --> 00:22:57,760
yeah yeah i know you recorded that uh

590
00:23:01,029 --> 00:22:59,120
but obviously there were some private

591
00:23:02,950 --> 00:23:01,039
things that we said to each other

592
00:23:05,750 --> 00:23:02,960
away from his reminder of the cameraman

593
00:23:07,669 --> 00:23:05,760
from netflix or or lance i think he was

594
00:23:09,590 --> 00:23:07,679
lance but i've just got like nine dogs

595
00:23:12,149 --> 00:23:09,600
out because as people will know i share

596
00:23:15,830 --> 00:23:12,159
my study with my two dogs and i've got a

597
00:23:18,070 --> 00:23:15,840
very madam of a dog dying to get out

598
00:23:20,549 --> 00:23:18,080
go for it go for it max max i'm going to

599
00:23:22,149 --> 00:23:20,559
jump to you my friend max tell us about

600
00:23:24,710 --> 00:23:22,159
a little bit about like your

601
00:23:25,990 --> 00:23:24,720
anticipation as you were driving to san

602
00:23:27,990 --> 00:23:26,000
marino

603
00:23:29,590 --> 00:23:28,000
you know i mean you were in contact with

604
00:23:30,950 --> 00:23:29,600
lou you knew kind of you were going to

605
00:23:33,510 --> 00:23:30,960
meet him like

606
00:23:37,430 --> 00:23:33,520
how did it feel

607
00:23:39,750 --> 00:23:37,440
um it was quite amazing actually um

608
00:23:41,350 --> 00:23:39,760
it was a long drive a really long drive

609
00:23:43,590 --> 00:23:41,360
but um

610
00:23:45,750 --> 00:23:43,600
the the weather was great and when i

611
00:23:48,070 --> 00:23:45,760
finally got there

612
00:23:51,190 --> 00:23:48,080
uh mr elizondo

613
00:23:53,510 --> 00:23:51,200
was just so gorgeous uh you know he

614
00:23:56,390 --> 00:23:53,520
invited us to everything uh even

615
00:23:58,149 --> 00:23:56,400
personal dinners um

616
00:23:59,669 --> 00:23:58,159
it it was great and

617
00:24:02,630 --> 00:23:59,679
by the way

618
00:24:05,350 --> 00:24:02,640
i couldn't be more surprised on on what

619
00:24:07,669 --> 00:24:05,360
i got to hear there got to see there

620
00:24:09,669 --> 00:24:07,679
uh there was so much going on

621
00:24:10,470 --> 00:24:09,679
way more than i was expecting or hoping

622
00:24:13,669 --> 00:24:10,480
for

623
00:24:16,070 --> 00:24:13,679
so i tried to record as much as i could

624
00:24:17,750 --> 00:24:16,080
uh live stream as much as i could

625
00:24:18,789 --> 00:24:17,760
um but

626
00:24:21,029 --> 00:24:18,799
there

627
00:24:24,549 --> 00:24:21,039
was a uh lecture

628
00:24:27,269 --> 00:24:24,559
on uh and mr hesseltine was there too on

629
00:24:29,029 --> 00:24:27,279
the future plans of uap disclosure which

630
00:24:32,710 --> 00:24:29,039
was really great to see

631
00:24:34,230 --> 00:24:32,720
and uh very hopeful too and uh you know

632
00:24:35,750 --> 00:24:34,240
what we've been talking about the last

633
00:24:38,789 --> 00:24:35,760
couple of months

634
00:24:40,870 --> 00:24:38,799
science is gonna pull its weight and uh

635
00:24:43,350 --> 00:24:40,880
that is just so exciting

636
00:24:44,950 --> 00:24:43,360
yeah yeah but gary just jumping back to

637
00:24:47,350 --> 00:24:44,960
you with some of the

638
00:24:49,110 --> 00:24:47,360
members of isis that were in attendance

639
00:24:50,549 --> 00:24:49,120
and we're talking about still from many

640
00:24:52,710 --> 00:24:50,559
many other countries did you get a

641
00:24:54,310 --> 00:24:52,720
chance to sit down and talk to all of

642
00:24:55,750 --> 00:24:54,320
them and get their opinions from what

643
00:24:58,230 --> 00:24:55,760
maybe what they're hearing within their

644
00:24:59,990 --> 00:24:58,240
governments

645
00:25:01,830 --> 00:25:00,000
you've got to understand that the nature

646
00:25:04,470 --> 00:25:01,840
of conferences is they're a bit like a

647
00:25:06,230 --> 00:25:04,480
horse race once the start it's

648
00:25:08,710 --> 00:25:06,240
everyone to themselves you've been

649
00:25:12,070 --> 00:25:08,720
pulled in lots of different directions

650
00:25:14,149 --> 00:25:12,080
and it's very difficult to get

651
00:25:16,789 --> 00:25:14,159
full perspectives on everything

652
00:25:18,310 --> 00:25:16,799
honestly if you're a speaker uh or known

653
00:25:20,230 --> 00:25:18,320
within the subject you've got the

654
00:25:23,510 --> 00:25:20,240
audience asking you questions every time

655
00:25:25,669 --> 00:25:23,520
you go to the toilet uh you've got media

656
00:25:28,149 --> 00:25:25,679
people oh can you do an interview for

657
00:25:30,950 --> 00:25:28,159
the italian television i did several two

658
00:25:33,110 --> 00:25:30,960
for a television italian tv

659
00:25:34,789 --> 00:25:33,120
and everything is replicated that much

660
00:25:36,789 --> 00:25:34,799
more with everybody else so it's

661
00:25:37,830 --> 00:25:36,799
difficult uh conferences are always

662
00:25:40,149 --> 00:25:37,840
difficult especially if they're

663
00:25:42,789 --> 00:25:40,159
international conferences this was made

664
00:25:44,710 --> 00:25:42,799
more difficult because obviously luis

665
00:25:46,230 --> 00:25:44,720
elizondo is the main person in the world

666
00:25:48,470 --> 00:25:46,240
the go-to guy

667
00:25:50,789 --> 00:25:48,480
on this disclosure front along i would

668
00:25:52,789 --> 00:25:50,799
say with chris mullen uh but he's

669
00:25:55,909 --> 00:25:52,799
obviously a man in demand

670
00:25:58,470 --> 00:25:55,919
so it was hard to get time alone with

671
00:25:59,990 --> 00:25:58,480
him uh for anybody uh i think max did

672
00:26:01,510 --> 00:26:00,000
really well and and

673
00:26:03,350 --> 00:26:01,520
from what i could see

674
00:26:04,950 --> 00:26:03,360
uh he you had a really good rapport and

675
00:26:07,110 --> 00:26:04,960
he was really very generous with his

676
00:26:09,510 --> 00:26:07,120
time with you and he and and later on he

677
00:26:11,590 --> 00:26:09,520
was generous with his time with me

678
00:26:14,230 --> 00:26:11,600
but yeah when you're actually in these

679
00:26:15,590 --> 00:26:14,240
things it's difficult what i can say is

680
00:26:17,510 --> 00:26:15,600
that

681
00:26:19,909 --> 00:26:17,520
the isa members there were seven isa

682
00:26:21,830 --> 00:26:19,919
members there which was brilliant it was

683
00:26:23,830 --> 00:26:21,840
the first time since we'd launched that

684
00:26:25,350 --> 00:26:23,840
we would get to meet people and i met

685
00:26:28,390 --> 00:26:25,360
some of these representatives who i've

686
00:26:30,470 --> 00:26:28,400
got to know over the last year online

687
00:26:33,269 --> 00:26:30,480
for the first time several of which i'd

688
00:26:35,350 --> 00:26:33,279
met before but there were at least

689
00:26:37,510 --> 00:26:35,360
two that i hadn't met before so it was

690
00:26:38,870 --> 00:26:37,520
really good to see them in the flesh and

691
00:26:40,149 --> 00:26:38,880
and when you're in the flesh you can

692
00:26:42,630 --> 00:26:40,159
actually have a little private

693
00:26:44,310 --> 00:26:42,640
conversation about anything and that's

694
00:26:45,909 --> 00:26:44,320
totally different than doing it in a

695
00:26:48,070 --> 00:26:45,919
zoom environment

696
00:26:50,070 --> 00:26:48,080
which is good to a point but it's not

697
00:26:52,149 --> 00:26:50,080
really intimate if you see what i mean

698
00:26:54,950 --> 00:26:52,159
absolutely you know so it was really

699
00:26:56,390 --> 00:26:54,960
good so we were able to discuss things

700
00:26:59,190 --> 00:26:56,400
what was also

701
00:27:01,350 --> 00:26:59,200
uh really interesting for me is that

702
00:27:03,190 --> 00:27:01,360
there was a uh

703
00:27:04,710 --> 00:27:03,200
and i think this may play some relevance

704
00:27:07,190 --> 00:27:04,720
in the future but i can't go into too

705
00:27:09,990 --> 00:27:07,200
much detail but there was a a former

706
00:27:10,950 --> 00:27:10,000
military pilot there a colonel roberto

707
00:27:13,510 --> 00:27:10,960
doss

708
00:27:16,390 --> 00:27:13,520
and uh he was italian

709
00:27:19,669 --> 00:27:16,400
a colonel so very high ranking retired

710
00:27:23,190 --> 00:27:19,679
uh and he has a small organization of

711
00:27:25,830 --> 00:27:23,200
military pilots who have all had ufo

712
00:27:27,750 --> 00:27:25,840
encounters and dare i say it three three

713
00:27:28,630 --> 00:27:27,760
of those are generals

714
00:27:31,909 --> 00:27:28,640
well

715
00:27:34,230 --> 00:27:31,919
whoa so very high powerful group small

716
00:27:36,710 --> 00:27:34,240
group but very high ranking powerful one

717
00:27:38,630 --> 00:27:36,720
of them is a three-star general

718
00:27:39,990 --> 00:27:38,640
okay uh so

719
00:27:43,029 --> 00:27:40,000
i don't know if you were supposed to say

720
00:27:44,789 --> 00:27:43,039
that gary but okay well well well i'm

721
00:27:46,830 --> 00:27:44,799
not i'm on i'm not really giving too

722
00:27:50,230 --> 00:27:46,840
much away i don't think because

723
00:27:52,549 --> 00:27:50,240
he's well no he he was he was one of the

724
00:27:53,990 --> 00:27:52,559
speakers there so he was all publicized

725
00:27:55,830 --> 00:27:54,000
he was one of the speakers there he did

726
00:27:58,630 --> 00:27:55,840
a lecture so it was all in the public

727
00:28:00,389 --> 00:27:58,640
domain uh but yes uh and during his

728
00:28:03,430 --> 00:28:00,399
presentation he actually outlined the

729
00:28:05,350 --> 00:28:03,440
nature of of the i think uh three were

730
00:28:08,389 --> 00:28:05,360
kernels and three were generals which is

731
00:28:11,190 --> 00:28:08,399
a very uh prestigious team but suffice

732
00:28:12,149 --> 00:28:11,200
to say that i think that was of interest

733
00:28:15,909 --> 00:28:12,159
to lou

734
00:28:17,430 --> 00:28:15,919
uh and i think the i'm my favorite uh my

735
00:28:19,830 --> 00:28:17,440
favorite group

736
00:28:22,070 --> 00:28:19,840
uh for proving the existence of the ufo

737
00:28:24,070 --> 00:28:22,080
uap phenomena has always been military

738
00:28:25,750 --> 00:28:24,080
pilots and commercial pilots because

739
00:28:27,190 --> 00:28:25,760
they're very very credible people and

740
00:28:29,430 --> 00:28:27,200
they should know what they're looking at

741
00:28:30,470 --> 00:28:29,440
so i think the fact that there were

742
00:28:33,909 --> 00:28:30,480
personnel

743
00:28:35,990 --> 00:28:33,919
like that of that caliber in san marino

744
00:28:37,990 --> 00:28:36,000
i think was of interest to lou and who

745
00:28:40,230 --> 00:28:38,000
knows what may come from them

746
00:28:41,669 --> 00:28:40,240
no absolutely and and i think one thing

747
00:28:43,110 --> 00:28:41,679
that we need to reiterate as well is

748
00:28:46,789 --> 00:28:43,120
that when we talk about these military

749
00:28:47,990 --> 00:28:46,799
witnesses a lot of civilian experiences

750
00:28:50,630 --> 00:28:48,000
seem to

751
00:28:52,789 --> 00:28:50,640
feel like they're slightly missed out on

752
00:28:54,630 --> 00:28:52,799
um and i what i want to say is from the

753
00:28:56,710 --> 00:28:54,640
people that i've spoken to is that what

754
00:28:58,630 --> 00:28:56,720
comes first is speaking to the military

755
00:29:00,870 --> 00:28:58,640
people then we move on to the kind of

756
00:29:02,230 --> 00:29:00,880
public and that do you do you see that

757
00:29:04,149 --> 00:29:02,240
gary do you i mean i know you've been

758
00:29:06,389 --> 00:29:04,159
experienced with civilian witnesses for

759
00:29:09,190 --> 00:29:06,399
many years so absolutely

760
00:29:10,070 --> 00:29:09,200
but but if you remember when i created

761
00:29:14,190 --> 00:29:10,080
the

762
00:29:17,750 --> 00:29:14,200
proof of police database in uh january

763
00:29:19,029 --> 00:29:17,760
2002 that's when i went public uh

764
00:29:22,149 --> 00:29:19,039
basically

765
00:29:24,310 --> 00:29:22,159
uh i said the high caliber witnesses are

766
00:29:26,070 --> 00:29:24,320
the ones initially to gain the

767
00:29:27,990 --> 00:29:26,080
credibility

768
00:29:30,310 --> 00:29:28,000
before you can move the conversation

769
00:29:32,070 --> 00:29:30,320
into wider areas

770
00:29:34,310 --> 00:29:32,080
the biggest problem that we had

771
00:29:35,990 --> 00:29:34,320
especially in 2002

772
00:29:37,669 --> 00:29:36,000
is the stigma that was still attached

773
00:29:40,149 --> 00:29:37,679
and that's only just beginning to

774
00:29:42,230 --> 00:29:40,159
dissipate now in the last six months

775
00:29:45,110 --> 00:29:42,240
well this year is unprecedented the

776
00:29:46,789 --> 00:29:45,120
amount of conversation on mainstream tv

777
00:29:48,710 --> 00:29:46,799
et cetera especially in america so

778
00:29:51,350 --> 00:29:48,720
things do look like they're beginning to

779
00:29:53,510 --> 00:29:51,360
change so now the circumstances are

780
00:29:55,909 --> 00:29:53,520
different but again

781
00:29:58,470 --> 00:29:55,919
that's the media beginning to realize

782
00:30:01,110 --> 00:29:58,480
that there is a story here uh if you've

783
00:30:03,510 --> 00:30:01,120
heard me before i'm a big believer that

784
00:30:05,269 --> 00:30:03,520
it's the media now who should be picking

785
00:30:07,110 --> 00:30:05,279
up the mantle and really running at this

786
00:30:10,149 --> 00:30:07,120
subject and saying do some real

787
00:30:12,549 --> 00:30:10,159
investigative reporting and really go

788
00:30:13,830 --> 00:30:12,559
in-depth investigation and you will i

789
00:30:16,230 --> 00:30:13,840
think you'll be amazed at what you'll

790
00:30:21,269 --> 00:30:16,240
find we want them to get on board but

791
00:30:22,470 --> 00:30:21,279
the reality is that once that happens

792
00:30:25,750 --> 00:30:22,480
the question

793
00:30:27,269 --> 00:30:25,760
of best evidence comes up so what do you

794
00:30:29,830 --> 00:30:27,279
get the credibility you get it from the

795
00:30:31,830 --> 00:30:29,840
likes of the astronauts cosmonauts radar

796
00:30:33,669 --> 00:30:31,840
operators sonar operators air traffic

797
00:30:35,350 --> 00:30:33,679
controllers commercial pilots military

798
00:30:37,590 --> 00:30:35,360
pilots police officers those kind of

799
00:30:39,909 --> 00:30:37,600
areas they're crying credible people and

800
00:30:42,149 --> 00:30:39,919
this is the stage we're at now

801
00:30:44,070 --> 00:30:42,159
we now in a sense have to move the

802
00:30:46,950 --> 00:30:44,080
conversation to say

803
00:30:49,350 --> 00:30:46,960
the public still i would say 95 percent

804
00:30:52,149 --> 00:30:49,360
of the public really know nothing about

805
00:30:53,510 --> 00:30:52,159
the reality of the subject so the first

806
00:30:56,310 --> 00:30:53,520
conversation

807
00:30:58,950 --> 00:30:56,320
in this phase now over the next year i

808
00:31:01,590 --> 00:30:58,960
think will be just really trying to

809
00:31:03,750 --> 00:31:01,600
increase the level of awareness for the

810
00:31:06,230 --> 00:31:03,760
public well how do you do that you do it

811
00:31:09,029 --> 00:31:06,240
via credible people like the pilots etc

812
00:31:10,470 --> 00:31:09,039
etc radar operators etc

813
00:31:12,470 --> 00:31:10,480
then

814
00:31:15,590 --> 00:31:12,480
you will get more of a conversation

815
00:31:17,590 --> 00:31:15,600
about contact consciousness etc which

816
00:31:18,549 --> 00:31:17,600
many of your people will be wanting to

817
00:31:20,870 --> 00:31:18,559
do now

818
00:31:24,230 --> 00:31:20,880
because of the association with those

819
00:31:26,310 --> 00:31:24,240
subjects and how complex they are that

820
00:31:28,310 --> 00:31:26,320
they're just too big an issue to go to

821
00:31:30,389 --> 00:31:28,320
straight away otherwise you're just

822
00:31:32,630 --> 00:31:30,399
going to get ridiculed we have to get

823
00:31:34,549 --> 00:31:32,640
people on board first with credible

824
00:31:36,870 --> 00:31:34,559
people credible evidence and then you

825
00:31:38,870 --> 00:31:36,880
can expand the conversation

826
00:31:40,710 --> 00:31:38,880
that makes perfect sense like how far do

827
00:31:43,029 --> 00:31:40,720
you have to go with that considering

828
00:31:44,870 --> 00:31:43,039
we've had you know just

829
00:31:46,710 --> 00:31:44,880
fraver and dietrich recently i know

830
00:31:48,310 --> 00:31:46,720
that's only a couple but there's been

831
00:31:50,149 --> 00:31:48,320
hundreds throughout history especially

832
00:31:52,470 --> 00:31:50,159
in our country i know

833
00:31:53,750 --> 00:31:52,480
absolutely but but the problem is is

834
00:31:55,830 --> 00:31:53,760
that still

835
00:31:57,029 --> 00:31:55,840
95 percent of the public whilst they

836
00:31:58,710 --> 00:31:57,039
know

837
00:31:59,990 --> 00:31:58,720
some words like roswell don't really

838
00:32:01,430 --> 00:32:00,000
know the ins and outs roswell but

839
00:32:03,830 --> 00:32:01,440
they'll avoid the word they're not

840
00:32:06,710 --> 00:32:03,840
offline sources they know ufo the link

841
00:32:08,870 --> 00:32:06,720
ufo with e.t rightly wrongly

842
00:32:10,870 --> 00:32:08,880
they're less nor uap but that's now a

843
00:32:13,029 --> 00:32:10,880
political way to enhance the

844
00:32:16,230 --> 00:32:13,039
conversation i understand that to get it

845
00:32:18,070 --> 00:32:16,240
into more more scientific areas it's

846
00:32:20,549 --> 00:32:18,080
changed the wording i understand that

847
00:32:22,950 --> 00:32:20,559
that's acceptable i still love the ufo

848
00:32:26,389 --> 00:32:22,960
word i think it's a very sexy word a lot

849
00:32:28,549 --> 00:32:26,399
of people uh will now go uf or uap and

850
00:32:30,789 --> 00:32:28,559
that's what i do because i understand

851
00:32:33,830 --> 00:32:30,799
the dynamic that's going on but by the

852
00:32:35,830 --> 00:32:33,840
same token there are processes that you

853
00:32:37,750 --> 00:32:35,840
have to follow and the vast majority of

854
00:32:40,470 --> 00:32:37,760
the world and still the vast majority of

855
00:32:42,789 --> 00:32:40,480
the mainstream media are blind they need

856
00:32:44,230 --> 00:32:42,799
educating about the best evidence if you

857
00:32:46,310 --> 00:32:44,240
suddenly go on about the abduction

858
00:32:48,070 --> 00:32:46,320
experience then that's too big a leap

859
00:32:49,830 --> 00:32:48,080
for the public and it's too big a leap

860
00:32:51,669 --> 00:32:49,840
for many of the mainstream journalists

861
00:32:52,630 --> 00:32:51,679
you have to go slowly slowly catch your

862
00:32:54,230 --> 00:32:52,640
monkey

863
00:32:56,230 --> 00:32:54,240
yeah i just want to give a shout out to

864
00:32:58,230 --> 00:32:56,240
wilfrid at dutch uap disclosure thank

865
00:33:00,389 --> 00:32:58,240
you for the five euro donation it's

866
00:33:02,549 --> 00:33:00,399
really appreciated um if you guys could

867
00:33:05,190 --> 00:33:02,559
speculate which countries

868
00:33:07,350 --> 00:33:05,200
do you think could vote against openness

869
00:33:08,710 --> 00:33:07,360
in the u.n gary i'm going to put that to

870
00:33:10,470 --> 00:33:08,720
you because it's probably where you've

871
00:33:12,789 --> 00:33:10,480
probably got the most um

872
00:33:14,470 --> 00:33:12,799
influence and idea

873
00:33:15,830 --> 00:33:14,480
are there any countries that you've seen

874
00:33:17,350 --> 00:33:15,840
that might

875
00:33:19,350 --> 00:33:17,360
back away

876
00:33:22,149 --> 00:33:19,360
to be honest i think it's a

877
00:33:24,710 --> 00:33:22,159
too premature a question we are not even

878
00:33:27,350 --> 00:33:24,720
in the ballpark yet with the u.n let's

879
00:33:29,350 --> 00:33:27,360
get into that conversation first then

880
00:33:31,190 --> 00:33:29,360
let's have the wider debate i think

881
00:33:34,389 --> 00:33:31,200
what's the point in speculating it's not

882
00:33:36,950 --> 00:33:34,399
even on any on any country's mandate yet

883
00:33:38,870 --> 00:33:36,960
yes there's proposals going forward

884
00:33:41,029 --> 00:33:38,880
let's get to the stage where a country

885
00:33:42,470 --> 00:33:41,039
says okay i'll adopt that and let's see

886
00:33:45,029 --> 00:33:42,480
what the un say

887
00:33:46,870 --> 00:33:45,039
then we're into more of a genuine

888
00:33:48,789 --> 00:33:46,880
hypothetical conversation but i think at

889
00:33:50,310 --> 00:33:48,799
the moment it's really too premature

890
00:33:52,149 --> 00:33:50,320
sorry if that's the answer no no that

891
00:33:53,990 --> 00:33:52,159
makes perfect sense so wilfred i hope

892
00:33:56,789 --> 00:33:54,000
that answers your question to a degree i

893
00:33:59,750 --> 00:33:56,799
mean it makes sense to me um

894
00:34:02,630 --> 00:33:59,760
we have to play it step by step so

895
00:34:03,509 --> 00:34:02,640
yeah i appreciate that um

896
00:34:07,990 --> 00:34:03,519
would

897
00:34:10,869 --> 00:34:09,990
i think if

898
00:34:13,270 --> 00:34:10,879
if

899
00:34:14,950 --> 00:34:13,280
the videos that louis ellis honduras has

900
00:34:16,790 --> 00:34:14,960
alluded to

901
00:34:19,669 --> 00:34:16,800
uh are varying lengths and they were

902
00:34:20,710 --> 00:34:19,679
crystal clear in hd super hd kind of

903
00:34:22,470 --> 00:34:20,720
thing

904
00:34:24,550 --> 00:34:22,480
uh even if you take away all the

905
00:34:26,790 --> 00:34:24,560
telemetry data the other tracking data

906
00:34:29,030 --> 00:34:26,800
etc and just give you the the pictures

907
00:34:30,950 --> 00:34:29,040
if they're as good and clear as they say

908
00:34:32,550 --> 00:34:30,960
i think it could make a huge difference

909
00:34:35,030 --> 00:34:32,560
and i think one of the reasons why

910
00:34:36,389 --> 00:34:35,040
they're not released yeah

911
00:34:39,349 --> 00:34:36,399
that makes sense

912
00:34:41,669 --> 00:34:39,359
thanks we want to see them

913
00:34:43,750 --> 00:34:41,679
but this is where i go back to the media

914
00:34:46,149 --> 00:34:43,760
and say the ufo community are not strong

915
00:34:48,710 --> 00:34:46,159
enough individually and not powerful

916
00:34:51,270 --> 00:34:48,720
enough to create the momentum to change

917
00:34:52,550 --> 00:34:51,280
politicians that comes through hard

918
00:34:54,790 --> 00:34:52,560
questions by

919
00:34:56,869 --> 00:34:54,800
by the mainstream uh political

920
00:34:59,190 --> 00:34:56,879
commentators of this world when they

921
00:35:02,310 --> 00:34:59,200
start really going after politicians

922
00:35:05,829 --> 00:35:02,320
imagine what what it would be if you you

923
00:35:08,230 --> 00:35:05,839
you had a a uh there i say a president

924
00:35:10,870 --> 00:35:08,240
sleeping with one of their interns

925
00:35:15,510 --> 00:35:10,880
uh not that that's ever happened

926
00:35:20,390 --> 00:35:16,950
yeah i was trying to be there that's

927
00:35:21,109 --> 00:35:20,400
called being subtle in british

928
00:35:22,870 --> 00:35:21,119
but

929
00:35:24,470 --> 00:35:22,880
the americans are not known for being

930
00:35:26,230 --> 00:35:24,480
subtle but there you go

931
00:35:29,190 --> 00:35:26,240
so there you go i tried to do it subtly

932
00:35:31,190 --> 00:35:29,200
but there you go i can say nothing

933
00:35:33,430 --> 00:35:31,200
but suffice to say that that kind of

934
00:35:36,630 --> 00:35:33,440
scenario the press would be all over it

935
00:35:39,670 --> 00:35:36,640
24 7 day in day out until they got the

936
00:35:41,750 --> 00:35:39,680
bones of the story which they did

937
00:35:44,790 --> 00:35:41,760
now if they were to adopt the same

938
00:35:46,950 --> 00:35:44,800
attitude to the ufo evidence best

939
00:35:48,470 --> 00:35:46,960
evidence kind of scenario they're the

940
00:35:50,790 --> 00:35:48,480
ones that can create the pressure on the

941
00:35:53,589 --> 00:35:50,800
political leaders and politicians and

942
00:35:55,990 --> 00:35:53,599
that's why my big boy big bug bear i was

943
00:35:58,069 --> 00:35:56,000
interviewed by italian media and i said

944
00:35:59,750 --> 00:35:58,079
exactly the same thing i says because

945
00:36:01,510 --> 00:35:59,760
they're getting excited about the story

946
00:36:03,589 --> 00:36:01,520
if they're being genuine with me you

947
00:36:05,349 --> 00:36:03,599
never really know but they seem to have

948
00:36:07,030 --> 00:36:05,359
an interest and i said it's you guys

949
00:36:09,030 --> 00:36:07,040
that will make the difference it's you

950
00:36:12,230 --> 00:36:09,040
guys that will force them to release an

951
00:36:14,310 --> 00:36:12,240
unclassified uh report every 90 days at

952
00:36:17,990 --> 00:36:14,320
the moment you think about it they did

953
00:36:20,630 --> 00:36:18,000
the initial dni uh report and gave us a

954
00:36:22,230 --> 00:36:20,640
nine page summary document now they're

955
00:36:25,030 --> 00:36:22,240
saying there's legislation that says

956
00:36:27,190 --> 00:36:25,040
every 90 days a rolling program there

957
00:36:28,790 --> 00:36:27,200
will be a classified section well why at

958
00:36:30,950 --> 00:36:28,800
the press leaping over this and saying

959
00:36:33,990 --> 00:36:30,960
we want an unclassified

960
00:36:35,349 --> 00:36:34,000
one every time you go 90 days even if

961
00:36:36,870 --> 00:36:35,359
it's three or four pages it doesn't

962
00:36:38,870 --> 00:36:36,880
matter but you've got to give us one

963
00:36:40,310 --> 00:36:38,880
you've got to give us some numbers

964
00:36:42,550 --> 00:36:40,320
and that's what the press should be

965
00:36:45,589 --> 00:36:42,560
doing and the fact that they're not yet

966
00:36:47,349 --> 00:36:45,599
means that they're not fully up to speed

967
00:36:49,430 --> 00:36:47,359
and that's what i'm encouraging them to

968
00:36:51,750 --> 00:36:49,440
do is to get up to speed and say look

969
00:36:55,109 --> 00:36:51,760
there really is a watergate story here

970
00:36:57,349 --> 00:36:55,119
go after it and do your job

971
00:36:59,349 --> 00:36:57,359
do you have any inkling as to why they

972
00:37:01,030 --> 00:36:59,359
don't why they were quiet i remember

973
00:37:03,829 --> 00:37:01,040
after the report even came out there's a

974
00:37:05,349 --> 00:37:03,839
press conference uh i forget who was

975
00:37:07,510 --> 00:37:05,359
doing it maybe

976
00:37:10,230 --> 00:37:07,520
uh chief of staff or something

977
00:37:12,550 --> 00:37:10,240
um and there was no questions not one

978
00:37:14,390 --> 00:37:12,560
from the press box about it like

979
00:37:15,349 --> 00:37:14,400
that's the media for you and that's what

980
00:37:19,430 --> 00:37:15,359
i'm saying

981
00:37:22,150 --> 00:37:19,440
i i genuinely believe that the uh

982
00:37:24,390 --> 00:37:22,160
75 percent of the mainstream media are

983
00:37:25,829 --> 00:37:24,400
almost childlike about the subject

984
00:37:27,990 --> 00:37:25,839
because they can't believe that we're

985
00:37:29,910 --> 00:37:28,000
now having a serious conversation they

986
00:37:31,990 --> 00:37:29,920
have been led to believe for 70 years

987
00:37:33,589 --> 00:37:32,000
there's nothing to it they bought into

988
00:37:34,870 --> 00:37:33,599
it there's two ways you can look at the

989
00:37:37,750 --> 00:37:34,880
media you can either say they were

990
00:37:39,990 --> 00:37:37,760
complicit in the cover-up or that they

991
00:37:41,589 --> 00:37:40,000
were duped as well well if we want to

992
00:37:43,190 --> 00:37:41,599
get the media on board i don't think

993
00:37:45,270 --> 00:37:43,200
it's going to do me any good to say that

994
00:37:46,790 --> 00:37:45,280
you accomplish it so we're better off

995
00:37:48,550 --> 00:37:46,800
saying that giving them the benefit the

996
00:37:50,470 --> 00:37:48,560
doubt and saying look you were duped but

997
00:37:53,990 --> 00:37:50,480
it's now time for you to earn your money

998
00:37:55,510 --> 00:37:54,000
and get onto the tail of the watergate

999
00:37:57,190 --> 00:37:55,520
what do you think max is there any

1000
00:37:59,109 --> 00:37:57,200
anything cropping up in holland at the

1001
00:38:01,670 --> 00:37:59,119
moment leading up with this

1002
00:38:05,670 --> 00:38:01,680
authorization act and the two

1003
00:38:06,630 --> 00:38:05,680
uh proposals coming in it's it's just me

1004
00:38:09,510 --> 00:38:06,640
well

1005
00:38:11,670 --> 00:38:09,520
uh just sorry to cut in max but just

1006
00:38:14,870 --> 00:38:11,680
you raised an important point there

1007
00:38:17,190 --> 00:38:14,880
the point is what happened uh with max

1008
00:38:19,430 --> 00:38:17,200
during his show was unprecedented

1009
00:38:21,430 --> 00:38:19,440
he got that and he and he read it out

1010
00:38:24,310 --> 00:38:21,440
live and all that which is brilliant for

1011
00:38:26,630 --> 00:38:24,320
max but also brilliant for the subject

1012
00:38:27,510 --> 00:38:26,640
but here's the question

1013
00:38:30,470 --> 00:38:27,520
how

1014
00:38:33,270 --> 00:38:30,480
has that been covered in the american

1015
00:38:35,589 --> 00:38:33,280
media since saturday

1016
00:38:37,190 --> 00:38:35,599
sunday and yeah

1017
00:38:39,829 --> 00:38:37,200
it's not being covered at all as far as

1018
00:38:41,670 --> 00:38:39,839
i can see in the american media in terms

1019
00:38:44,390 --> 00:38:41,680
of tv that's where you get your big

1020
00:38:46,870 --> 00:38:44,400
audiences now can you imagine if that

1021
00:38:48,230 --> 00:38:46,880
had come out two days before the dni

1022
00:38:49,430 --> 00:38:48,240
report came out

1023
00:38:51,670 --> 00:38:49,440
that would have been wall-to-wall

1024
00:38:53,829 --> 00:38:51,680
coverage like we were getting but

1025
00:38:56,470 --> 00:38:53,839
literally the fact that the media are

1026
00:38:59,190 --> 00:38:56,480
not reporting on what is an absolutely

1027
00:39:02,150 --> 00:38:59,200
major major story especially when they

1028
00:39:04,470 --> 00:39:02,160
say the word uh capture

1029
00:39:07,270 --> 00:39:04,480
in part of the four on page four of the

1030
00:39:10,390 --> 00:39:07,280
five pages capture what the hell is that

1031
00:39:12,710 --> 00:39:10,400
about you know and and and uh health

1032
00:39:15,430 --> 00:39:12,720
effects amazing

1033
00:39:17,589 --> 00:39:15,440
lou got very excited about the page four

1034
00:39:19,750 --> 00:39:17,599
because of some of the wording well

1035
00:39:22,310 --> 00:39:19,760
he should have been on tv left right and

1036
00:39:23,670 --> 00:39:22,320
center in america i he may well have

1037
00:39:25,589 --> 00:39:23,680
done one or two but i'm not aware he's

1038
00:39:28,790 --> 00:39:25,599
done any and certainly there's been

1039
00:39:30,870 --> 00:39:28,800
nothing in the uk that i can see so

1040
00:39:32,790 --> 00:39:30,880
in a sense the media have gone missing

1041
00:39:34,630 --> 00:39:32,800
we need them to get on board but they

1042
00:39:36,950 --> 00:39:34,640
need to think that i do think

1043
00:39:37,670 --> 00:39:36,960
i do think that that that when

1044
00:39:39,589 --> 00:39:37,680
lou

1045
00:39:40,870 --> 00:39:39,599
is writing a book

1046
00:39:42,710 --> 00:39:40,880
that's out now

1047
00:39:44,710 --> 00:39:42,720
i think that will get more coverage than

1048
00:39:46,630 --> 00:39:44,720
actually what came out last saturday

1049
00:39:47,910 --> 00:39:46,640
yeah because it will because it will

1050
00:39:49,510 --> 00:39:47,920
when it comes out

1051
00:39:51,349 --> 00:39:49,520
i think what people need to also pay

1052
00:39:53,109 --> 00:39:51,359
attention to especially journalists and

1053
00:39:54,630 --> 00:39:53,119
that is take a look at the conversations

1054
00:39:56,390 --> 00:39:54,640
that are happening across social media

1055
00:39:59,589 --> 00:39:56,400
look at reddit look at twitter

1056
00:40:01,670 --> 00:39:59,599
after max's um videos from the weekend

1057
00:40:03,829 --> 00:40:01,680
it was incredible what was going on on

1058
00:40:05,829 --> 00:40:03,839
reddit and twitter everywhere the amount

1059
00:40:07,829 --> 00:40:05,839
of the figures you could see and the

1060
00:40:09,270 --> 00:40:07,839
amount of people talking about it was

1061
00:40:10,950 --> 00:40:09,280
well i think

1062
00:40:13,750 --> 00:40:10,960
vinnie i think this show in the fact

1063
00:40:16,550 --> 00:40:13,760
that lou comes on and speaks so openly

1064
00:40:17,349 --> 00:40:16,560
about icer and the italian organization

1065
00:40:18,950 --> 00:40:17,359
con

1066
00:40:21,910 --> 00:40:18,960
uh central

1067
00:40:24,230 --> 00:40:21,920
ufological national that's the

1068
00:40:26,950 --> 00:40:24,240
that's the group um the fact that he's

1069
00:40:29,270 --> 00:40:26,960
been so glowing about isa and endorsing

1070
00:40:31,670 --> 00:40:29,280
isa in his very kind words i think

1071
00:40:33,750 --> 00:40:31,680
you'll find that when he comes onto this

1072
00:40:34,950 --> 00:40:33,760
podcast this show tonight that there

1073
00:40:37,910 --> 00:40:34,960
will be a lot of people like reddit

1074
00:40:40,150 --> 00:40:37,920
listening and going whoa somehow there

1075
00:40:42,069 --> 00:40:40,160
you see what i mean because because

1076
00:40:44,230 --> 00:40:42,079
because we're actually alluding to a lot

1077
00:40:46,950 --> 00:40:44,240
more stuff than what would come out over

1078
00:40:50,150 --> 00:40:46,960
the weekend uh this is other things that

1079
00:40:52,550 --> 00:40:50,160
are coming out post conference so um

1080
00:40:54,150 --> 00:40:52,560
he's alluding to stuff

1081
00:40:56,790 --> 00:40:54,160
and speaking in a way that he's never

1082
00:40:59,270 --> 00:40:56,800
really spoken before very very open very

1083
00:41:00,870 --> 00:40:59,280
relaxed he clearly enjoyed his time with

1084
00:41:03,430 --> 00:41:00,880
max with me

1085
00:41:04,309 --> 00:41:03,440
at the conference etc so i think if

1086
00:41:06,230 --> 00:41:04,319
anybody

1087
00:41:08,470 --> 00:41:06,240
sees his performance tonight if that's

1088
00:41:10,710 --> 00:41:08,480
the word performance uh they will see

1089
00:41:13,190 --> 00:41:10,720
that um he said some pretty important

1090
00:41:14,069 --> 00:41:13,200
things on this show tonight yeah i mean

1091
00:41:16,230 --> 00:41:14,079
i think

1092
00:41:18,230 --> 00:41:16,240
i know for a fact he only got back home

1093
00:41:19,750 --> 00:41:18,240
yesterday and

1094
00:41:21,030 --> 00:41:19,760
one of the first things he said today

1095
00:41:23,670 --> 00:41:21,040
tonight was

1096
00:41:25,829 --> 00:41:23,680
he's already made some moves or you know

1097
00:41:27,750 --> 00:41:25,839
absolutely i i was not aware of that

1098
00:41:30,309 --> 00:41:27,760
vinny so uh

1099
00:41:31,349 --> 00:41:30,319
so yeah he was staying choosy so he

1100
00:41:34,150 --> 00:41:31,359
would have got

1101
00:41:36,630 --> 00:41:34,160
back lunchtime probably yesterday so

1102
00:41:39,270 --> 00:41:36,640
literally within 24 hours he's talked to

1103
00:41:40,870 --> 00:41:39,280
people now who those people are

1104
00:41:43,190 --> 00:41:40,880
you know we can speculate

1105
00:41:45,109 --> 00:41:43,200
i i have probably some ideas but i

1106
00:41:46,630 --> 00:41:45,119
probably don't have some ideas because

1107
00:41:48,550 --> 00:41:46,640
we don't really know

1108
00:41:51,349 --> 00:41:48,560
everything that goes on around lou but

1109
00:41:53,510 --> 00:41:51,359
suffice to say that he's made some

1110
00:41:55,349 --> 00:41:53,520
calls i guess and that's good and the

1111
00:41:57,109 --> 00:41:55,359
fact that he's talking in such glowing

1112
00:41:59,190 --> 00:41:57,119
terms about what happened over the

1113
00:42:01,109 --> 00:41:59,200
weekend i think is important and i think

1114
00:42:03,349 --> 00:42:01,119
the fact that he came on to this brief

1115
00:42:05,430 --> 00:42:03,359
conversation significantly

1116
00:42:07,430 --> 00:42:05,440
and so we will see we will see okay i

1117
00:42:10,230 --> 00:42:07,440
saw one of those i saw one or one or two

1118
00:42:11,109 --> 00:42:10,240
of those people uh he was hinting on and

1119
00:42:13,349 --> 00:42:11,119
uh

1120
00:42:15,349 --> 00:42:13,359
one of them knew my name and i didn't

1121
00:42:16,710 --> 00:42:15,359
even introduce myself before you didn't

1122
00:42:18,870 --> 00:42:16,720
even know me before which was

1123
00:42:21,030 --> 00:42:18,880
interesting you're a marked man max

1124
00:42:23,270 --> 00:42:21,040
you're a marked man

1125
00:42:25,109 --> 00:42:23,280
let me let me ask you a question so you

1126
00:42:27,430 --> 00:42:25,119
were in san marino doing all this stuff

1127
00:42:29,030 --> 00:42:27,440
it was it's probably i would guess a bit

1128
00:42:31,109 --> 00:42:29,040
surreal because

1129
00:42:33,109 --> 00:42:31,119
um you've been working in this subject

1130
00:42:35,589 --> 00:42:33,119
for so long and you're kind of just like

1131
00:42:37,750 --> 00:42:35,599
in the meat in the heart of it

1132
00:42:38,790 --> 00:42:37,760
um how

1133
00:42:41,910 --> 00:42:38,800
did

1134
00:42:43,990 --> 00:42:41,920
you know that change your perspective on

1135
00:42:46,390 --> 00:42:44,000
either your work or the community or the

1136
00:42:50,150 --> 00:42:46,400
subject in general or did it

1137
00:42:54,710 --> 00:42:50,160
there was a lot going on in my head

1138
00:42:59,670 --> 00:42:57,190
now i'm convinced that

1139
00:43:02,069 --> 00:42:59,680
multiple governments are very much aware

1140
00:43:05,589 --> 00:43:02,079
of what is going on

1141
00:43:07,190 --> 00:43:05,599
i saw that with my two eyes

1142
00:43:10,069 --> 00:43:07,200
and i'm

1143
00:43:12,069 --> 00:43:10,079
very excited that there is

1144
00:43:15,030 --> 00:43:12,079
there's really something moving at this

1145
00:43:16,630 --> 00:43:15,040
moment and um there in san marino

1146
00:43:20,950 --> 00:43:16,640
something uh

1147
00:43:23,670 --> 00:43:20,960
is being established that could be

1148
00:43:26,630 --> 00:43:23,680
changing history basically that that i

1149
00:43:29,190 --> 00:43:26,640
felt really that i was witness to

1150
00:43:31,270 --> 00:43:29,200
history in the making really

1151
00:43:33,109 --> 00:43:31,280
yeah

1152
00:43:35,030 --> 00:43:33,119
give me the chills just listening to you

1153
00:43:37,910 --> 00:43:35,040
yeah about it i'm really proud of you

1154
00:43:40,069 --> 00:43:37,920
and thank you just just so you know

1155
00:43:42,710 --> 00:43:40,079
no no absolutely man you made it and i

1156
00:43:45,109 --> 00:43:42,720
did and i did enjoy um you know how it

1157
00:43:47,510 --> 00:43:45,119
was received because i i had to wing it

1158
00:43:48,470 --> 00:43:47,520
you know when i got lou to sit down i

1159
00:43:49,990 --> 00:43:48,480
just

1160
00:43:51,589 --> 00:43:50,000
you know we jumped out on the live

1161
00:43:55,349 --> 00:43:51,599
stream two times

1162
00:43:57,589 --> 00:43:55,359
um i tried to catch anything uh you know

1163
00:44:00,390 --> 00:43:57,599
he was doing lecture or or hanging

1164
00:44:02,550 --> 00:44:00,400
around some some people

1165
00:44:05,510 --> 00:44:02,560
some of them uh

1166
00:44:08,710 --> 00:44:05,520
not supposed to talk about but it is it

1167
00:44:11,190 --> 00:44:08,720
is very very interesting and um

1168
00:44:13,190 --> 00:44:11,200
yeah my perspective has actually

1169
00:44:15,270 --> 00:44:13,200
changed a lot because

1170
00:44:17,750 --> 00:44:15,280
again i feel

1171
00:44:20,069 --> 00:44:17,760
this is big it's going to change there's

1172
00:44:20,790 --> 00:44:20,079
going to be big changes and even if you

1173
00:44:22,950 --> 00:44:20,800
know

1174
00:44:24,790 --> 00:44:22,960
after this crazy scoop

1175
00:44:26,790 --> 00:44:24,800
lou and me had

1176
00:44:28,550 --> 00:44:26,800
because this was literally and this was

1177
00:44:30,230 --> 00:44:28,560
actually funny we were doing a second

1178
00:44:32,710 --> 00:44:30,240
live stream because i was about to leave

1179
00:44:34,550 --> 00:44:32,720
and uh you know he was making uh

1180
00:44:38,230 --> 00:44:34,560
preparations to meet with people he was

1181
00:44:41,430 --> 00:44:38,240
just talking about um this literally

1182
00:44:43,190 --> 00:44:41,440
just dropped in his iphone and and he

1183
00:44:44,309 --> 00:44:43,200
said okay we're gonna kick this off with

1184
00:44:45,910 --> 00:44:44,319
this

1185
00:44:48,790 --> 00:44:45,920
and yeah

1186
00:44:52,950 --> 00:44:48,800
that was just mind-blowing what happened

1187
00:44:56,710 --> 00:44:52,960
over there and and really that lou was

1188
00:44:59,510 --> 00:44:56,720
so excited about it and yeah uh so was i

1189
00:45:01,990 --> 00:44:59,520
it was uh it was a big it was a big

1190
00:45:04,630 --> 00:45:02,000
thing even though the mainstream media

1191
00:45:06,870 --> 00:45:04,640
in america or in europe is not catching

1192
00:45:07,990 --> 00:45:06,880
on to it yet they will they will catch

1193
00:45:10,069 --> 00:45:08,000
on to this

1194
00:45:11,510 --> 00:45:10,079
here's a question for you gary let me

1195
00:45:13,349 --> 00:45:11,520
just ask this quick question because i

1196
00:45:14,790 --> 00:45:13,359
think i've had this asked a lot a lot of

1197
00:45:16,069 --> 00:45:14,800
times over the past few days he said

1198
00:45:18,950 --> 00:45:16,079
this is a conference that a lot of

1199
00:45:20,790 --> 00:45:18,960
people want to hear the people that

1200
00:45:23,510 --> 00:45:20,800
stood up on stage let's say and made

1201
00:45:25,510 --> 00:45:23,520
some lectures as it were are they going

1202
00:45:27,430 --> 00:45:25,520
to be made available public or was this

1203
00:45:29,030 --> 00:45:27,440
a behind the scenes kind of conference

1204
00:45:29,829 --> 00:45:29,040
it's public

1205
00:45:31,750 --> 00:45:29,839
yeah

1206
00:45:33,990 --> 00:45:31,760
it's it's public but i i i'm not

1207
00:45:36,950 --> 00:45:34,000
involved in that because it the og the

1208
00:45:39,990 --> 00:45:36,960
conference was put together primarily by

1209
00:45:43,030 --> 00:45:40,000
roberto panotte's group uh

1210
00:45:44,550 --> 00:45:43,040
this is his historical group and so all

1211
00:45:46,470 --> 00:45:44,560
of his association

1212
00:45:49,109 --> 00:45:46,480
association put that together

1213
00:45:50,950 --> 00:45:49,119
and they record the videos what they do

1214
00:45:52,790 --> 00:45:50,960
with them i really don't know but i

1215
00:45:56,069 --> 00:45:52,800
think they are public and they will

1216
00:45:59,109 --> 00:45:56,079
probably be released onto the their

1217
00:46:00,710 --> 00:45:59,119
their uh cun website yeah but yeah they

1218
00:46:02,790 --> 00:46:00,720
they should be publicly available they

1219
00:46:04,630 --> 00:46:02,800
were all being filmed i found it

1220
00:46:06,630 --> 00:46:04,640
i filmed it i filmed it so it's gonna go

1221
00:46:08,710 --> 00:46:06,640
no i i only asked because i've been on

1222
00:46:10,870 --> 00:46:08,720
the website today and there's very

1223
00:46:13,190 --> 00:46:10,880
little there about the conference

1224
00:46:14,870 --> 00:46:13,200
um so i will

1225
00:46:16,390 --> 00:46:14,880
publish anything that comes out for

1226
00:46:18,390 --> 00:46:16,400
anyone that wants to see it but i wasn't

1227
00:46:20,390 --> 00:46:18,400
sure if i mean

1228
00:46:22,309 --> 00:46:20,400
by obviously because roberto is the

1229
00:46:24,790 --> 00:46:22,319
president of iso i obviously have access

1230
00:46:26,870 --> 00:46:24,800
to roberto so i can ask that question

1231
00:46:28,710 --> 00:46:26,880
and say when will the videos be released

1232
00:46:29,910 --> 00:46:28,720
and i'll ask that question i'll email

1233
00:46:31,430 --> 00:46:29,920
him tonight

1234
00:46:34,950 --> 00:46:31,440
do it and while you're there just email

1235
00:46:38,790 --> 00:46:35,750
uh

1236
00:46:41,109 --> 00:46:38,800
he may well do i can ask him i was kind

1237
00:46:44,790 --> 00:46:41,119
of joking but i wasn't like you know

1238
00:46:49,589 --> 00:46:46,710
yeah well these are the kind of people

1239
00:46:50,550 --> 00:46:49,599
we need to have yeah talk to for the

1240
00:46:52,710 --> 00:46:50,560
people

1241
00:46:54,870 --> 00:46:52,720
you know i'm just so glad that gary has

1242
00:46:56,950 --> 00:46:54,880
spoken to me not once but twice on my

1243
00:46:58,790 --> 00:46:56,960
channel and having that connection to

1244
00:47:00,630 --> 00:46:58,800
isa and what's happening so that i don't

1245
00:47:03,510 --> 00:47:00,640
just have to focus on what's going on in

1246
00:47:07,990 --> 00:47:06,309
what i've tried to do is is by

1247
00:47:10,390 --> 00:47:08,000
in a sense trusting vinnie to do it the

1248
00:47:12,390 --> 00:47:10,400
right way i took a leap of faith with

1249
00:47:14,470 --> 00:47:12,400
vinnie that he will promote this in the

1250
00:47:16,870 --> 00:47:14,480
right way and he is and we live quite

1251
00:47:18,470 --> 00:47:16,880
close to each other and and i think

1252
00:47:20,230 --> 00:47:18,480
we've developed an understanding that

1253
00:47:21,990 --> 00:47:20,240
he's doing it for the right reasons like

1254
00:47:23,349 --> 00:47:22,000
hopefully he'll appreciate that i'm in

1255
00:47:25,270 --> 00:47:23,359
this for the passion not for the money i

1256
00:47:28,230 --> 00:47:25,280
mean how many swimming pools do you need

1257
00:47:33,030 --> 00:47:30,710
so really so really i make this in all

1258
00:47:35,349 --> 00:47:33,040
seriousness i'm in it to try to change

1259
00:47:37,270 --> 00:47:35,359
the perception of the world that's why i

1260
00:47:39,589 --> 00:47:37,280
came into the subject do it for money

1261
00:47:42,230 --> 00:47:39,599
rich is nothing i just want to reach the

1262
00:47:43,990 --> 00:47:42,240
man on the street and i think vinnie

1263
00:47:45,990 --> 00:47:44,000
totally appreciates that point of view

1264
00:47:48,150 --> 00:47:46,000
and in his own way he wants to play his

1265
00:47:49,990 --> 00:47:48,160
part in trying to affect that change and

1266
00:47:51,829 --> 00:47:50,000
he's got a really popular webcast and

1267
00:47:53,750 --> 00:47:51,839
like there's a there's a new breed of

1268
00:47:55,270 --> 00:47:53,760
people like louis himalayas there's

1269
00:47:57,510 --> 00:47:55,280
obviously mass mosquitoes and and

1270
00:47:59,109 --> 00:47:57,520
obviously shawn etc these are new people

1271
00:48:01,750 --> 00:47:59,119
and we have to get younger people

1272
00:48:04,230 --> 00:48:01,760
involved because now it's you guys that

1273
00:48:05,670 --> 00:48:04,240
can reach millions with your podcasts if

1274
00:48:08,230 --> 00:48:05,680
they really take off you can hit

1275
00:48:09,990 --> 00:48:08,240
millions overnight uh and

1276
00:48:12,549 --> 00:48:10,000
this has always been one of the problems

1277
00:48:15,109 --> 00:48:12,559
in the past is that and if you look at

1278
00:48:18,790 --> 00:48:15,119
ufology in general we're all old guys

1279
00:48:21,670 --> 00:48:18,800
now the majority 90 percent are 60 plus

1280
00:48:23,349 --> 00:48:21,680
or 55 plus that's old we need younger

1281
00:48:26,870 --> 00:48:23,359
people in this subject and one of the

1282
00:48:29,349 --> 00:48:26,880
reasons why um i've kind of trusted

1283
00:48:31,349 --> 00:48:29,359
vinnie is to try to reach a younger

1284
00:48:33,430 --> 00:48:31,359
audience that are listening we know that

1285
00:48:36,069 --> 00:48:33,440
they're listening but they have to get

1286
00:48:37,990 --> 00:48:36,079
more involved they have to start in a

1287
00:48:40,710 --> 00:48:38,000
sense becoming more of an activist

1288
00:48:42,069 --> 00:48:40,720
themselves doing some part to play some

1289
00:48:42,870 --> 00:48:42,079
pressure

1290
00:48:44,870 --> 00:48:42,880
you know

1291
00:48:47,270 --> 00:48:44,880
it seems like joining groups is

1292
00:48:48,950 --> 00:48:47,280
old-fashioned and maybe we have to

1293
00:48:51,270 --> 00:48:48,960
change that kind of

1294
00:48:53,109 --> 00:48:51,280
scenario but we have to get younger

1295
00:48:55,190 --> 00:48:53,119
people involved because we're not always

1296
00:48:56,870 --> 00:48:55,200
going to be around so we need younger

1297
00:48:59,109 --> 00:48:56,880
people to follow on and you're the next

1298
00:49:01,510 --> 00:48:59,119
generation and and i think it's

1299
00:49:04,470 --> 00:49:01,520
important now through the the

1300
00:49:06,470 --> 00:49:04,480
through the eyes of the incredible media

1301
00:49:08,309 --> 00:49:06,480
platforms that are available now you

1302
00:49:10,470 --> 00:49:08,319
guys can make the difference in a way

1303
00:49:12,630 --> 00:49:10,480
that we couldn't do it before technology

1304
00:49:14,870 --> 00:49:12,640
is literally changing before our eyes

1305
00:49:17,510 --> 00:49:14,880
and you can literally reach millions

1306
00:49:19,670 --> 00:49:17,520
overnight if you get the right story at

1307
00:49:21,829 --> 00:49:19,680
the right time i mean i i don't know how

1308
00:49:23,910 --> 00:49:21,839
many kind of hits max will be getting

1309
00:49:26,390 --> 00:49:23,920
for his podcast with lou but it is

1310
00:49:28,230 --> 00:49:26,400
probably the highest it's ever had

1311
00:49:30,710 --> 00:49:28,240
if not it will soon supersede anything

1312
00:49:33,589 --> 00:49:30,720
he's had because of the content and he

1313
00:49:36,150 --> 00:49:33,599
was lucky right place right time however

1314
00:49:38,950 --> 00:49:36,160
he made it lucky i knew i knew i had to

1315
00:49:41,190 --> 00:49:38,960
go there no no no no no no

1316
00:49:42,630 --> 00:49:41,200
here's why here's what i'm saying is

1317
00:49:45,109 --> 00:49:42,640
in life

1318
00:49:49,510 --> 00:49:45,119
you you can affect

1319
00:49:51,430 --> 00:49:49,520
things yourself if you had not decided

1320
00:49:53,190 --> 00:49:51,440
that it was important for you to go to

1321
00:49:55,829 --> 00:49:53,200
san marino you would have missed out on

1322
00:49:58,710 --> 00:49:55,839
that incredible scoop so you changed

1323
00:50:02,309 --> 00:49:58,720
your own destiny when i created the

1324
00:50:04,230 --> 00:50:02,319
unofficial police database in 2002

1325
00:50:06,309 --> 00:50:04,240
i changed my destiny i didn't know what

1326
00:50:08,790 --> 00:50:06,319
was going to be the spin-off and here i

1327
00:50:10,630 --> 00:50:08,800
would be talking to international people

1328
00:50:12,950 --> 00:50:10,640
all over the world kind of thing it's a

1329
00:50:14,870 --> 00:50:12,960
strange route that we're all on the

1330
00:50:15,589 --> 00:50:14,880
journey that we're all on but the point

1331
00:50:17,430 --> 00:50:15,599
is

1332
00:50:19,750 --> 00:50:17,440
if you hadn't gone to san marino you'd

1333
00:50:22,309 --> 00:50:19,760
have never got that scoop and who knows

1334
00:50:24,390 --> 00:50:22,319
where that scoop will take max too and

1335
00:50:27,349 --> 00:50:24,400
that's it you can create your own

1336
00:50:29,109 --> 00:50:27,359
destiny but i do think that the

1337
00:50:32,390 --> 00:50:29,119
the new podcasters

1338
00:50:34,549 --> 00:50:32,400
uh are a part of this big future to

1339
00:50:36,870 --> 00:50:34,559
spread the word and hopefully get

1340
00:50:39,589 --> 00:50:36,880
younger people in to become more of an

1341
00:50:42,870 --> 00:50:39,599
activist to say we want the truth

1342
00:50:44,230 --> 00:50:42,880
and be do something active themselves

1343
00:50:45,910 --> 00:50:44,240
wow

1344
00:50:47,349 --> 00:50:45,920
beautiful words thank you gary i

1345
00:50:48,950 --> 00:50:47,359
appreciate that

1346
00:50:51,270 --> 00:50:48,960
well guys listen

1347
00:50:52,390 --> 00:50:51,280
i'm all out of questions i think and i

1348
00:50:55,270 --> 00:50:52,400
think we've got the information that

1349
00:50:57,190 --> 00:50:55,280
we're allowed right now

1350
00:50:58,230 --> 00:50:57,200
i could say one thing if you don't mind

1351
00:51:00,309 --> 00:50:58,240
just

1352
00:51:01,190 --> 00:51:00,319
going off of what gary said

1353
00:51:02,710 --> 00:51:01,200
um

1354
00:51:04,470 --> 00:51:02,720
just being

1355
00:51:05,589 --> 00:51:04,480
honest

1356
00:51:08,470 --> 00:51:05,599
um

1357
00:51:09,349 --> 00:51:08,480
i have an incredibly hard time getting

1358
00:51:12,950 --> 00:51:09,359
any

1359
00:51:16,390 --> 00:51:12,960
of the og ufologists

1360
00:51:18,150 --> 00:51:16,400
um to talk to me or give guidance or

1361
00:51:20,230 --> 00:51:18,160
anything and that's

1362
00:51:23,349 --> 00:51:20,240
what i think the younger

1363
00:51:25,750 --> 00:51:23,359
people need uh is a little bit of help

1364
00:51:26,950 --> 00:51:25,760
from them like you're doing with vinnie

1365
00:51:29,030 --> 00:51:26,960
um

1366
00:51:31,510 --> 00:51:29,040
which you know is

1367
00:51:34,390 --> 00:51:31,520
so nice of you to do that but

1368
00:51:36,470 --> 00:51:34,400
um yeah there's like it's tough out

1369
00:51:37,910 --> 00:51:36,480
there because at least for me i've never

1370
00:51:40,150 --> 00:51:37,920
done this before i don't know i had to

1371
00:51:42,230 --> 00:51:40,160
experience that rock my world i'm doing

1372
00:51:44,230 --> 00:51:42,240
this i'm learning as i go

1373
00:51:45,750 --> 00:51:44,240
um but it you know it would just be nice

1374
00:51:47,829 --> 00:51:45,760
to feel more of a

1375
00:51:49,990 --> 00:51:47,839
a community from some of those senior

1376
00:51:52,790 --> 00:51:50,000
guys

1377
00:51:55,910 --> 00:51:52,800
i can't talk for other people i know i i

1378
00:51:57,750 --> 00:51:55,920
i i really like i i i've always felt

1379
00:51:59,829 --> 00:51:57,760
comfortable talking

1380
00:52:01,589 --> 00:51:59,839
in the media so that's why i'm happy to

1381
00:52:03,589 --> 00:52:01,599
do the talk because it's something i'm

1382
00:52:06,069 --> 00:52:03,599
passionate about and you guys do have a

1383
00:52:08,230 --> 00:52:06,079
big plot to play so like max asked me on

1384
00:52:10,230 --> 00:52:08,240
his show i said anytime if you sean if

1385
00:52:13,589 --> 00:52:10,240
you want me on your show any time uh

1386
00:52:16,069 --> 00:52:13,599
yeah because because because in a sense

1387
00:52:19,190 --> 00:52:16,079
we have to try to reach people and this

1388
00:52:21,910 --> 00:52:19,200
and podcasts do that now the old radio

1389
00:52:22,710 --> 00:52:21,920
shows uh an official radio

1390
00:52:25,109 --> 00:52:22,720
you know

1391
00:52:27,190 --> 00:52:25,119
the main tv channels the main national

1392
00:52:29,030 --> 00:52:27,200
radio channels they're all still good

1393
00:52:31,589 --> 00:52:29,040
but they don't have the freedom that the

1394
00:52:33,670 --> 00:52:31,599
podcasts have and in some ways they

1395
00:52:37,030 --> 00:52:33,680
don't have the

1396
00:52:39,910 --> 00:52:37,040
the the kind of makeup the the flair and

1397
00:52:42,630 --> 00:52:39,920
the spontaneity of what podcasts can do

1398
00:52:45,270 --> 00:52:42,640
and i think that the podcasts allow a

1399
00:52:47,030 --> 00:52:45,280
really exciting medium and br you know

1400
00:52:48,710 --> 00:52:47,040
and now we live in this world of the

1401
00:52:50,790 --> 00:52:48,720
zoom and we can bring in other screens

1402
00:52:51,990 --> 00:52:50,800
multiple screens like we had lewin i

1403
00:52:54,390 --> 00:52:52,000
mean that was a great five-way

1404
00:52:56,470 --> 00:52:54,400
conversation for 15 minutes so it's a

1405
00:52:59,589 --> 00:52:56,480
privilege to be a part of those things

1406
00:53:01,990 --> 00:52:59,599
uh and i think we have to do that more

1407
00:53:03,829 --> 00:53:02,000
but not everybody's the same so

1408
00:53:06,549 --> 00:53:03,839
you know i can only go from my point of

1409
00:53:09,589 --> 00:53:06,559
view but i'm all in for favor of good

1410
00:53:11,589 --> 00:53:09,599
podcasts providing that they

1411
00:53:14,790 --> 00:53:11,599
what i would say is respect has to be

1412
00:53:15,750 --> 00:53:14,800
earned and i've said things privately to

1413
00:53:18,950 --> 00:53:15,760
vinnie

1414
00:53:22,790 --> 00:53:18,960
and he if ever they came out they

1415
00:53:28,309 --> 00:53:24,710
but that but that's the way it has that

1416
00:53:29,349 --> 00:53:28,319
that has to be the way it is um in a

1417
00:53:31,270 --> 00:53:29,359
sense

1418
00:53:33,510 --> 00:53:31,280
people will live in a world now where

1419
00:53:35,430 --> 00:53:33,520
they want hits it generates money

1420
00:53:37,589 --> 00:53:35,440
generates clicks blah blah blah

1421
00:53:39,349 --> 00:53:37,599
everything's money oriented i want

1422
00:53:41,190 --> 00:53:39,359
people to do podcasts because they're

1423
00:53:43,270 --> 00:53:41,200
passionate about the subject yeah not

1424
00:53:45,990 --> 00:53:43,280
just to earn coin because that's not

1425
00:53:47,670 --> 00:53:46,000
what it's about for me and i and i

1426
00:53:49,910 --> 00:53:47,680
honestly you're not making money

1427
00:53:51,349 --> 00:53:49,920
yeah well i know honestly vinnie i can

1428
00:53:53,829 --> 00:53:51,359
only speak for my relationship with

1429
00:53:56,230 --> 00:53:53,839
vinnie but but i want to develop this

1430
00:53:58,390 --> 00:53:56,240
relationship but it's trust orientated

1431
00:54:00,230 --> 00:53:58,400
and if you abuse that trust it's gone

1432
00:54:02,390 --> 00:54:00,240
for example

1433
00:54:05,829 --> 00:54:02,400
i always said to police officers if they

1434
00:54:07,589 --> 00:54:05,839
were serving uh most of them 99 of them

1435
00:54:09,030 --> 00:54:07,599
would say a lot i don't want my details

1436
00:54:11,430 --> 00:54:09,040
released because i'm a sergeant in the

1437
00:54:12,710 --> 00:54:11,440
firearms team if i if i say this i'm out

1438
00:54:15,589 --> 00:54:12,720
the fire in terms they're going to think

1439
00:54:17,510 --> 00:54:15,599
i'm crackers and if i broke that trust

1440
00:54:19,349 --> 00:54:17,520
then that would happen to them and

1441
00:54:21,430 --> 00:54:19,359
nobody would ever talk to me again so

1442
00:54:23,750 --> 00:54:21,440
it's very serious so when you say look

1443
00:54:26,230 --> 00:54:23,760
we have a private conversation and we

1444
00:54:28,549 --> 00:54:26,240
develop a trust scenario then it has to

1445
00:54:30,950 --> 00:54:28,559
be respected and if somebody abuses it

1446
00:54:32,950 --> 00:54:30,960
they're gone then he would be gone so if

1447
00:54:35,020 --> 00:54:32,960
vinnie disappears

1448
00:54:48,870 --> 00:54:35,030
everybody knows

1449
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:56,230
just kidding

1450
00:55:01,030 --> 00:54:57,990
it's got to be on that basis but i'm a

1451
00:55:02,710 --> 00:55:01,040
big supporter of podcasts providing they

1452
00:55:03,910 --> 00:55:02,720
do it in the right way and it's not

1453
00:55:06,150 --> 00:55:03,920
about money

1454
00:55:07,530 --> 00:55:06,160
yeah man vinnie has been telling so much

1455
00:55:12,230 --> 00:55:07,540
gary you know

1456
00:55:14,309 --> 00:55:12,240
[Laughter]

1457
00:55:17,670 --> 00:55:14,319
good job i love you guys send me the

1458
00:55:19,750 --> 00:55:17,680
checklist a minute yeah yeah

1459
00:55:22,710 --> 00:55:19,760
well listen well i think we pretty much

1460
00:55:24,950 --> 00:55:22,720
like i said covered it let's jump around

1461
00:55:27,030 --> 00:55:24,960
sean first what do you got going on

1462
00:55:30,390 --> 00:55:27,040
where can everybody find you man sure

1463
00:55:32,549 --> 00:55:30,400
you can find me witness citizen uap

1464
00:55:34,950 --> 00:55:32,559
um youtube channel what i'm doing right

1465
00:55:37,990 --> 00:55:34,960
now is i'm big into the history getting

1466
00:55:40,549 --> 00:55:38,000
documents i just uh went all out on

1467
00:55:42,870 --> 00:55:40,559
la paz and all the encounters at los

1468
00:55:46,549 --> 00:55:42,880
alamos and san diego base

1469
00:55:49,589 --> 00:55:46,559
um and today it was a fbi bulletin that

1470
00:55:52,870 --> 00:55:49,599
uh heinek had a picture of it landed

1471
00:55:55,349 --> 00:55:52,880
of a uh imprint of a saucer in the grass

1472
00:55:57,589 --> 00:55:55,359
so that was pretty cool um so i focus a

1473
00:55:59,670 --> 00:55:57,599
lot on that i do interviews as well but

1474
00:56:02,309 --> 00:55:59,680
i try to do something every day so

1475
00:56:04,230 --> 00:56:02,319
um i do stuff on my own too so just tune

1476
00:56:05,349 --> 00:56:04,240
in every weekday at noon and you'll see

1477
00:56:06,630 --> 00:56:05,359
something

1478
00:56:08,710 --> 00:56:06,640
awesome

1479
00:56:10,309 --> 00:56:08,720
gary where can everybody find you at the

1480
00:56:11,270 --> 00:56:10,319
moment

1481
00:56:13,109 --> 00:56:11,280
um

1482
00:56:51,430 --> 00:56:13,119
i

1483
00:56:53,190 --> 00:56:51,440
there's lots to talk about uh plus we

1484
00:56:55,510 --> 00:56:53,200
have all meetings that were already

1485
00:56:56,309 --> 00:56:55,520
scheduled for next week etc so

1486
00:56:58,789 --> 00:56:56,319
there's

1487
00:57:00,309 --> 00:56:58,799
i've got so much on it's untrue

1488
00:57:01,670 --> 00:57:00,319
excellent well i hope that you'll jump

1489
00:57:03,829 --> 00:57:01,680
back on here in a few weeks time and

1490
00:57:05,910 --> 00:57:03,839
maybe give us an update with us

1491
00:57:08,630 --> 00:57:05,920
well yeah um

1492
00:57:10,870 --> 00:57:08,640
let's let's like i say i'm a pragmatist

1493
00:57:14,630 --> 00:57:10,880
um

1494
00:57:17,109 --> 00:57:14,640
louise said things on this show tonight

1495
00:57:20,710 --> 00:57:17,119
um about isa that i didn't expect him to

1496
00:57:22,710 --> 00:57:20,720
say uh and deluded to conversations he's

1497
00:57:24,069 --> 00:57:22,720
had already in the states what that

1498
00:57:26,390 --> 00:57:24,079
means who knows

1499
00:57:27,670 --> 00:57:26,400
but suffice to say is that as and when

1500
00:57:29,910 --> 00:57:27,680
and if

1501
00:57:32,230 --> 00:57:29,920
things develop from that then then

1502
00:57:34,789 --> 00:57:32,240
you'll get to hear about them uh as soon

1503
00:57:36,309 --> 00:57:34,799
as i can probably do them awesome and

1504
00:57:37,910 --> 00:57:36,319
i'll be sharing them on my social media

1505
00:57:40,630 --> 00:57:37,920
so people will get the opportunity to

1506
00:57:43,109 --> 00:57:40,640
see them um right guys thank you so much

1507
00:57:46,390 --> 00:57:43,119
no i'm only kidding max

1508
00:57:47,750 --> 00:57:46,400
max moskowitz what are you going on um

1509
00:57:50,309 --> 00:57:47,760
go for it bro

1510
00:57:53,750 --> 00:57:50,319
all right uh so i have a lot coming out

1511
00:57:57,510 --> 00:57:53,760
um i made a lot of footage

1512
00:57:59,750 --> 00:57:57,520
tonight uh in about 30 minutes um there

1513
00:58:01,430 --> 00:57:59,760
i made a mini documentary a kind of a

1514
00:58:04,230 --> 00:58:01,440
repertoire um

1515
00:58:06,470 --> 00:58:04,240
where me and lou walk through san marino

1516
00:58:09,109 --> 00:58:06,480
and um it is not what you're going to

1517
00:58:10,390 --> 00:58:09,119
expect it is it's very personal uh

1518
00:58:12,309 --> 00:58:10,400
you're going to see a total different

1519
00:58:13,670 --> 00:58:12,319
side of louis elizondo

1520
00:58:16,230 --> 00:58:13,680
and

1521
00:58:18,950 --> 00:58:16,240
then again you will hear completely new

1522
00:58:20,549 --> 00:58:18,960
things that is going to blow your damn

1523
00:58:22,710 --> 00:58:20,559
mind

1524
00:58:23,910 --> 00:58:22,720
so i really recommend

1525
00:58:27,349 --> 00:58:23,920
watching this

1526
00:58:29,030 --> 00:58:27,359
um because i cannot story yeah

1527
00:58:31,270 --> 00:58:29,040
well as i i i

1528
00:58:33,910 --> 00:58:31,280
feel like dip in hand in hand i'm not

1529
00:58:39,910 --> 00:58:33,920
gonna i'm not gonna lie i did sniff this

1530
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:43,109
was there food

1531
00:58:48,549 --> 00:58:43,990
no

1532
00:58:52,950 --> 00:58:51,270
okay we hit the hour mark red

1533
00:58:55,109 --> 00:58:52,960
we're just about i can see the show's

1534
00:58:58,630 --> 00:58:55,119
just gone right down now

1535
00:59:01,430 --> 00:58:58,640
right now the viewers have just dropped

1536
00:59:03,030 --> 00:59:01,440
no guys please everybody

1537
00:59:04,390 --> 00:59:03,040
go and jump on max's channel in 30

1538
00:59:07,750 --> 00:59:04,400
minutes vesting

1539
00:59:09,510 --> 00:59:07,760
met muskowitch have i said that right

1540
00:59:11,349 --> 00:59:09,520
actually pretty good

1541
00:59:13,990 --> 00:59:11,359
hey i'm not dutch you know i try my best

1542
00:59:16,870 --> 00:59:14,000
well listen guys thank you so much sean

1543
00:59:18,390 --> 00:59:16,880
thank you gary thank you max thank you

1544
00:59:20,150 --> 00:59:18,400
we'll do this again in the future

1545
00:59:22,230 --> 00:59:20,160
because i like this connection obviously

1546
00:59:24,150 --> 00:59:22,240
me sean and max we've got our second

1547
00:59:26,549 --> 00:59:24,160
channel which we're rebranding at the

1548
00:59:28,789 --> 00:59:26,559
moment which will happen soon

1549
00:59:30,549 --> 00:59:28,799
yeah just look out for that so

1550
00:59:32,390 --> 00:59:30,559
and i've got to give one last shout out

1551
00:59:34,470 --> 00:59:32,400
to toulou elizondo for jumping on

1552
00:59:36,870 --> 00:59:34,480
earlier you know i've got him coming on

1553
00:59:39,190 --> 00:59:36,880
here on sunday he he didn't have to jump

1554
00:59:40,789 --> 00:59:39,200
on today i emailed him first thing today

1555
00:59:43,430 --> 00:59:40,799
and he just happily said yeah i'll jump

1556
00:59:45,589 --> 00:59:43,440
on so what a guy cannot thank him enough

1557
00:59:47,270 --> 00:59:45,599
for that so and to everyone in the chat

1558
00:59:48,950 --> 00:59:47,280
for the for the guys that donated and

1559
00:59:50,710 --> 00:59:48,960
asked questions to lou

1560
00:59:53,109 --> 00:59:50,720
i've just received the screenshots they

1561
00:59:54,150 --> 00:59:53,119
will be asked to loot on sunday so don't

1562
00:59:57,349 --> 00:59:54,160
think you're going to miss out i

1563
00:59:59,109 --> 00:59:57,359
appreciate the support so no refunds

1564
01:00:00,470 --> 00:59:59,119
well you know

1565
01:00:02,150 --> 01:00:00,480
it's like gary said i'm not it for the

1566
01:00:04,150 --> 01:00:02,160
money but i want these questions asked

1567
01:00:06,230 --> 01:00:04,160
because they're important to somebody of

1568
01:00:08,069 --> 01:00:06,240
course so you know thank you everyone

1569
01:00:10,230 --> 01:00:08,079
for watching and guys

1570
01:00:11,270 --> 01:00:10,240
we'll see you soon thank you very soon

1571
01:00:12,309 --> 01:00:11,280
take care